How Big Main Street

So, we've seen alternative visions of what the One Paseo, San Diego project will be: one is the developer's version, where all the views portray low, human-scale buildings; and the other is the opponent's www.WhatPriceMainStreet.com version, where the development appears to be larger and more walled-in. While a few people are in favor of the minimum, all-office and parking lot version, most people in the community seem to want something more: a community plaza, some retail, some residential, etc. See the One Paseo section for more posts on this subject and the One Paseo image.

But how much is enough, and what is too much? Read the full article for more...

Perhaps we need to look at what 4 or 5 stories of residential on top of retail looks like. It seems that a company called Risha Engineering has a 210 residential unit, 200,000 sq. ft. of retail mixed-use development called Atlantic Times Square that has some similarities to the proposed One Paseo. Sure, it's smaller, but there are 5 stories over retail and lots of underground parking. Here's a picture:

One Paseo

I don't know if that's representative of the proposal, but it is 5 stories of residential over a retail floor. If you want a real shock, go to the web site for the project and look at the construction pictures (there are numbers 1 to 6 on the right)...

Here's a 4 story over retail image in Virginia:

One Paseo

A lot of the apartment buildings in the UTC area seem to be 4 stories of residential (no retail below), and they always look pretty dense to me. The above images and the proposed One Paseo development are taller. In my mind, I had envisioned a couple of stories of residential (perhaps 2 in parts and 3 in others) over retail.

Note that Pell Place, near the Carmel Valley Recreation Center, seems to be 3 (and 4) stories over parking garage.

What do you think?

Comments

How Big Main Street

Reminds me of Santana Row in San Jose, CA.  That ended up being a really nice development, albeit expensive.  The key isn't really how tall the development is, some of the best walkable cities are tall and dense. It's all about how the traffic will be managed.  

3D renderings gone missing

On http://www.onepaseo.com/siteplan, there used to be a number of perspectives under "3D Rendering View".  Now there are only 2.  You have to wonder why... what is changing about the project that Kilroy would take down those renderings?

Everyone knows you can't believe developer watercolor renderings.  They always show skinny good-looking well-dressed people drinking coffee and laughing and carrying shopping bags, and strolling down crowded boulevards without a car in sight.  The reality is that this 'main street' is a street that HAS CARS!  The renderings on http://www.onepaseo.com barely show any car traffic.  Right.

Overall, I don't disagree much with this development; in-fill development like this is better than urban sprawl.  I don't think it will be as nice or as walkable as Santana Row, but it will probably be a desirable location to work, live, and shop.

Perhaps it will prompt the City of San Diego to do something about the lack of public transit in Carmel Valley.