One Paseo - Are the Pictures Deceptive?
The One Paseo website and facebook page (One Paseo, San Diego) continue to show us beautiful little vignettes, like this:
The question is, is this a fair depiction of their project, or of the location they show? Well, the building in the background of this image is 4 or 5 residential floors on top of one floor of retail, so it's 5 or 6 stories tall. So, the above picture is sort of like saying that this close-up picture of City Heights Square, a rental development in San Diego.
well, that the above picture is an accurate representation of this larger image, below, which is the same image as above, at the same magnification, with the cropping removed (picture borrowed from the BIA Facebook page, where it was publically posted) :
This is more like what's being proposed at One Paseo, 5 or 6 stories with retail on the first floor. And, I don't know for sure, but I believe the One Paseo development will have TWO or THREE times the number of residential units as the above picture (that is, one of these blocks, next to another, next to yet another), plus more retail and two large office towers. I'd love to have the developer (Kilroy) provide these images, but until then, we'll have to make do with trying to find our own comparisons.
Update: By the way, the One Paseo Facebook is requesting that you send your thoughts and feedback to the following individuals:
Renee Mezo, City of San Diego Project Manager – rmezo@SanDiego.gov
Frisco White, Carmel Valley Community Planning Board – white@wwarch.com
Sherri Lightner, Councilmember – sherrilightner@sandiego.gov
See the One Paseo section for more posts on this subject and the One Paseo image.
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Full Disclosure Before We Decide
Sure, the One Paseo development looks great from the developer's rosy point-of-view, but we should wait until we have complete information before we really try to "vote" on how popular this proposal is in the community. Right now, most of the information is one sided, and presented to the public with a free meal (a nice BBQ picnic) and plenty of explainations by people who will directly benefit if the project is built. What we really need is a more independent presentation, one that really shows what we'll get. Only then can we really decide if we like the project for Carmel Valley.
5 or 6 stories is great!
I am excited for One Paseo and realize that some people are afraid of growth, but it is inevitable. 5 or 6 stories of a vibrant mixed-use community is exactly what we need in Carmel Valley! I love the new images that Kilroy posted and am not threatened by 5 stories vs. 6 stories. This is a wonderful addition to the community and can't wait for it to be built!
Found a picture from Kilroy!
On their twitter page, Kilroy has a picture that actually shows the residential units. However, it appears to be an old picture, because the units are 4 and 5 stories tall, instead of the current proposal of 5 and 6 stories. Here's a link to the image: http://t.co/Gz7HZsE7
Size Comparison with City Heights Square
Funny, I found a google maps satellite view of City Heights Square and of the One Paseo site, and set them to the same scale. From that you can see that the City Heights Square project is very similar in size to ONE of the THREE total residential complexes proposed for One Paseo. So, the northern border of One Paseo seems to be similar to THREE of the City Heights Square projects. Then, add 2 large office buildings, more retail, a huge parking garage, and a hotel, and you get the rough size of One Paseo.
Our neighborhood as cash cow
The slim benefits of Paseo will be more than offset by increased cost, traffic and crime. It will not provide a heart or center, except for the few people who live there. Maybe we should START by occupying it! In any case, ZONING VARIANCES are a big red flag.
We do not need to sacrifice so another developer can make another few $million.
How about something that would actually ADD to the quality of life????
I totally disagree!
What "Cost" are you referring to? What are you paying for? The developers are paying for everything and are bringing this exciting community more entertainment, dining, and work options for the local residents. Did you also know that there will be a security office and 24/7 security onsite to make sure there are no safety or crime issues? This is exactly what CV needs and will add to thousands of local residents "quality of life".
So you really need that much to be 'happy'?
How could this rediculously dense metroplex add to the quality of your daily life? As crazy as this sounds, do you think it's possible that Kilroy could build something a bit less dense and it still provide the same benefits to your 'daily life'? Are you unsatisfied with the number of residents and office buildings in that part of the neighborhood and you feel cramming a bunch more into that little piece of land is just what you need and what Carmel Valley needs? I'm guessing you like UTC-style density and that 6 minute drive to that area is too far for you? Is that long long drive inconveniencing you and you need to bring that density to Carmel Valley so you'll be happier? For some unknown reason, Carmel Valley suddenly needs a dense metroplex to give it 'an indentity' so it will somehow become 'better', and that will all make us 'happier' won't it? I agree that there are some real benefits to having some additional shopping and restaurants(which I look forward to myself), but the developer has clearly gone WAY overboard with how much they're trying to stuff onto this piece of land. Anybody that looks at the true picture and magnituge of what they're going to build and says, "yes, we need this much on this piece of land because it will improve the daily life of Carmel Valley residents" is either completely clueless or absolutely has a vested interest($$$) in the project succeeding. There are plenty of other ways to "create jobs" and/or "increase tax revenue", so don't go using that excuse either, like Kilroy is some kind of philanthropist. I like the idea of creating something special on that piece of land, but not like that. Come on Kilroy, really? Are you really that greedy? You can't possibly have anybody's best interest in mind other than your own when you decide you want to slam that much onto that piece of property. Your very deceptive images and marketing brochures are quite clever also. Seems like it's working on some people who like to look at pictures and not read the fine print. Congrats on that.
I Support One Paseo
I take great exception to derisive comments being made about your fellow community members who happen to have a different view of the One Paseo project. I support the project, a position I came to after carefully reviewing the proposal and speaking directly with the developer about any lingering questions – not, as you suggest, because I “like to look at pictures and not read the fine print.”
Much like the cropped images you choose to display in your posts, they are only a snippet of the full One Paseo website, which infact puts it all out there. There are detailed site plans – complete with heights, square footage and unit counts – all on full display. They are not withholding anything from you or me – but I understand that doesn’t work with your storyline.
I hope the fresh air and community atmosphere of the future Main Street plaza will make us all more neighborly than the anonymous blogosphere.
Your voice counts...
And I support your right to support this project. However, to say that the website is complete and that all the facts are out there, well, I don't agree. Sure, you can find the heights of the buildings listed, if you dig enough. But, if you look through the renderings, which is what most people are going to do, then you see a project of 2 and 3 story buildings, that might have some small office buildings in the background. There are no views of the parking structure, seen from the south. There are no views of the massive residential units along Del Mar Heights Road. There are no views of the 10 story residential unit on High Bluff.
Again, if the project is so great, why does part of it have to remain hidden?